Lord Deben is sprightly and personable. At 80 he is full of vigour and enthusiasm, confident even, that his dream of a cleaner future is within reach.
In a wide-ranging interview, he tells me the net zero target by 2050 is not pie in the sky but a reasonable aim that we as a society, can achieve but not without hardship.
"For the majority, they see this as a moderate, sensible, deliverable, difficult product. We are going to do this and we are going to achieve it but it's not going to be easy. But it's really possible."
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